1 00:00:01,957 --> 00:00:07,217 It's entertainment law update episode 159 for July of 2023. 2 00:00:07,280 --> 00:00:12,880 Music. 3 00:00:12,948 --> 00:00:18,948 Hello, everybody and welcome to another episode of Entertainment Law update from Los Angeles, California. I am Gordon Firemark. 4 00:00:21,023 --> 00:00:22,583 I'm Tamara Bennett. 5 00:00:34,994 --> 00:00:41,294 Share our opinions, commentary, analysis, and and a little chit chat. How are you? What's new? 6 00:00:41,449 --> 00:00:45,049 Camera. Oh, I am great. Thank you for. 7 00:00:55,258 --> 00:01:01,018 Had some unexpected time out of the office to help my mom and I was thankful I could do that and I 8 00:01:01,065 --> 00:01:10,845 Appreciate your patience as we reschedule and reschedule them. Yeah, I know, you know, it this is one of the the blessings of being in solo or small firm life. 9 00:01:11,219 --> 00:01:18,479 That if you need to go attend to something you just go and you make it work. It is and you know in this 10 00:01:18,799 --> 00:01:30,139 Obviously, we're both solo. I know we have attorneys who listen, who are with firms, who might be solo, big or small, whatever that practice is. Yeah. But you know what I love post pandemic? 11 00:01:30,546 --> 00:01:31,846 Is the fact that, 12 00:01:32,339 --> 00:01:40,919 To miles from my mother's very rural home. Yeah. Was a brand new co-working office space. Oh, perfect. 13 00:01:41,053 --> 00:01:45,253 Yeah, it was great. 10 minute drive and I was right where I could, 14 00:01:45,968 --> 00:01:49,568 You know, let's get some work done and peace and quiet. So, 15 00:01:57,095 --> 00:01:59,135 Okay I didn't know about it so, 16 00:01:59,841 --> 00:02:00,561 Hey. 17 00:02:10,904 --> 00:02:14,444 Dawn. So, I apologize. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. 18 00:02:25,542 --> 00:02:29,322 The sun is powering our our AC most of the day so so, 19 00:02:33,382 --> 00:02:40,142 But anyway, hey, speaking of travel, you mentioned that co-working space. Just AA little heads up, show note, 20 00:02:47,418 --> 00:02:48,678 Entertainment law, 21 00:02:56,042 --> 00:02:59,102 First or second week in November I'm sorry I don't have the dates in, 22 00:03:02,550 --> 00:03:07,830 In Austin Texas it's going to be a lot of fun I'm part of the, 23 00:03:08,807 --> 00:03:13,847 Planning committee programming committee so we have got a lot of diversity topic, 24 00:03:16,916 --> 00:03:22,536 I attended obviously for years but we have some returning favorites. 25 00:03:22,986 --> 00:03:30,486 Such a stand suture. I mean, what's a CLE without staying in as part of the program to give us a round up on cases and then. 26 00:03:35,638 --> 00:03:39,938 Podcast and we've recorded live. Yeah. A couple of different times. 27 00:03:40,828 --> 00:03:54,208 But super excited we're bringing in some some different attorneys and different maybe non attorney speakers that we've just never had on the program before so I think it's going to be lots of timely topics, 28 00:03:55,583 --> 00:04:02,903 You know you obviously if you're a Texas lawyer you'll get your Texas CLE and then you can apply that if you're out of state so come join us, 29 00:04:04,207 --> 00:04:06,607 For a really great entertainment and sports law, 30 00:04:08,321 --> 00:04:14,081 2 day CLE and then on Wednesday is an afternoon of kind of basics 101, 31 00:04:15,253 --> 00:04:21,493 Both sports and entertainment related. So make sure that we get a link in the show notes if you'd like to check that out. You'll go to, 32 00:04:22,536 --> 00:04:26,616 Entertainment update. Com slash 159 which is this episode's number, 33 00:04:29,197 --> 00:04:32,557 Registration for that program in the in the notes. 34 00:04:37,921 --> 00:04:49,261 I'm looking forward to sharing my thoughts and and knowledge about the field of true crime podcasting and some of the legal issues and liabilities that come up in that arena. That'll be a lot of fun. 35 00:04:49,605 --> 00:04:51,765 Yeah and I'm doing an additional topic. 36 00:05:00,498 --> 00:05:11,238 I enjoy about my practices helping the family after their loved one has passed away. Yeah. So, myself and another attorney here in Dallas, Daniel White are going to be presenting on, 37 00:05:11,805 --> 00:05:15,765 How to put together a plan and what to do when there isn't a plan, 38 00:05:16,405 --> 00:05:17,545 Well, that's cool, 39 00:05:25,543 --> 00:05:31,423 Podcast movement conference so that'll be fun if you can be in and around Denver and like to connect up reach out to me, 40 00:05:38,758 --> 00:05:42,778 You know, sort of legal legals I view of the podcasting industry and, 41 00:05:48,534 --> 00:05:50,154 Sounds good. Right. 42 00:05:51,622 --> 00:05:52,522 To speed. 43 00:06:06,449 --> 00:06:09,149 Or webinar style presentation. Yes, indeed. 44 00:06:19,295 --> 00:06:25,235 Foreign trademark infringement under US law the the cases 45 00:06:25,201 --> 00:06:31,141 Abatron Austria GMBH versus Hetronic International Inctronic, 46 00:06:31,681 --> 00:06:40,261 manufacturers radio remote controls for construction equipment and it sells in services this equipment that has a distinctive yellow and black color scheme 47 00:06:40,522 --> 00:06:45,142 To distinguish them from competitors in more than 45 different countries. 48 00:06:55,367 --> 00:07:01,127 The marks on the products that issue in this lawsuit. Well, after reverse engineering those products, I bet Trump 49 00:07:01,309 --> 00:07:06,649 Begin to sell heronic branded products that incorporated parts source from third parties. 50 00:07:14,874 --> 00:07:16,414 Not arbitrary. 51 00:07:23,490 --> 00:07:27,810 But related provisions under the lanimax section 11141 A, 52 00:07:32,754 --> 00:07:43,254 Registered mark in connection with sales so on and so on and also the 11 25 A one which prohibits the use of incomers of a protected mark 53 00:07:43,619 --> 00:07:47,039 Weather registered or not that is likely to cause confusion, 54 00:07:51,559 --> 00:08:04,939 Abatron argue that hetronic saw an impermissible extra territorial application of the lanimac but the district court rejected that and jury awarded hetronic about 96 1 million dollars in damages. 55 00:08:06,026 --> 00:08:10,046 Related to abatron's global employment of Hitronic's marks, 56 00:08:14,119 --> 00:08:20,839 And then it went up on a peel. The 10th circuit narrowed that injunction to cover only certain countries that otherwise. 57 00:08:25,813 --> 00:08:30,493 Extended to all of avatron's foreign and fringing conduct, 58 00:08:34,761 --> 00:08:39,021 Character in magnitude that would give the US reasonably strong interest in ligation 59 00:08:39,369 --> 00:08:41,569 So we move on to the Supreme Court, 60 00:08:43,943 --> 00:08:47,243 Resolve a circuit split over whether or not the lanimax. 61 00:08:56,034 --> 00:08:58,314 Extension of the word. Yes, you are. 62 00:09:07,853 --> 00:09:13,433 Rule or you know construction rule against territory excuse me against extra territory, 63 00:09:17,954 --> 00:09:19,754 Cut to the chase what did the supreme court, 64 00:09:20,223 --> 00:09:20,943 Conclude. 65 00:09:28,118 --> 00:09:30,398 Tory reality. There you go. 66 00:09:41,666 --> 00:09:44,606 Only the claims were the infringing quote. 67 00:09:44,925 --> 00:09:47,805 Use encommerce is domestic. 68 00:09:53,144 --> 00:09:55,004 Opinion by justice lido 69 00:09:55,340 --> 00:10:00,560 On June 29 of this year just as Jackson filed a concurring opinion. 70 00:10:08,313 --> 00:10:09,453 And Barrett. 71 00:10:11,860 --> 00:10:25,480 The court explained that this presumption against the extra territorial jurisdiction serves to avoid the internal discord that can result when US law is applied to conduct in foreign countries and reflects 72 00:10:25,651 --> 00:10:33,031 Quote the common sense notion that congress generally let just lates with domestic concerns in mind 73 00:10:33,429 --> 00:10:39,309 Alright. So, I guess it was just two two far field from what was happening in the US. 74 00:10:42,962 --> 00:10:50,702 On domestic even though it was happening in a foreign territory. But so essentially we're saying foreign infringement. 75 00:10:51,227 --> 00:10:53,147 Foreign lawsuit do it over there. 76 00:10:56,066 --> 00:11:04,386 Seems pretty logical and for those of us that took civil procedure in those kinds of things, you know. But I mean it. 77 00:11:04,325 --> 00:11:08,045 What have been nice if the supreme court had come down the other way? 78 00:11:18,251 --> 00:11:20,531 Foreign and infringements that you know, 79 00:11:21,231 --> 00:11:26,151 Do you have some impact on? Yeah. They have an impact on the business. Mm hmm. 80 00:11:33,438 --> 00:11:40,578 But we haven't, you know, there are treaties that address some kinds of these issues about where you sue but for the most part, you know, we're going to, 81 00:11:41,423 --> 00:11:48,983 Rely on cases like this and we have another one later in the rundown that we'll be talking about as well. The deals with it. Aware to Sue question, 82 00:11:49,624 --> 00:11:52,924 In the international arena but let's get go ahead. 83 00:11:58,320 --> 00:12:01,380 What's the proper forum or venue to file the lawsuit 84 00:12:01,620 --> 00:12:07,600 Yeah, but you know, the problem is those tools, sometimes get it wrong. In fact, they sometimes make up stuff. 85 00:12:19,827 --> 00:12:21,507 Ella Quint if we have to post, 86 00:12:28,955 --> 00:12:32,795 That their new bing AI assisted search tool. 87 00:12:39,155 --> 00:12:39,995 Scenario. 88 00:12:41,450 --> 00:12:45,410 One of these people jeffrey battle is a veteran and a novelist, 89 00:12:50,044 --> 00:12:55,804 Was convicted of trying to join the Taliban in around September 11 2001. 90 00:12:58,960 --> 00:13:04,060 The veteran novelist professor is representing himself in court suing, 91 00:13:05,910 --> 00:13:13,230 Microsoft the owners of The Bing search engine that implemented this tool because Bing is the only site where these two names have shown up conflated. 92 00:13:17,879 --> 00:13:24,359 Each source sort of singularly but as of February of 2023 bing is using this AI tool that 93 00:13:24,454 --> 00:13:33,154 Sort of dozen a glamoration of the results from across the web to summarize the answer to your question so instead of a list of links, 94 00:13:33,762 --> 00:13:39,102 Yeah we had AA sort of narrative text explanation that, 95 00:13:42,459 --> 00:13:48,939 Sort of about first off it talks about battle the aerospace professor is the president and CEO of, 96 00:13:49,408 --> 00:13:53,968 Battle Enterprises and it goes on to talk about him being honorably discharged from 97 00:13:54,126 --> 00:14:06,006 The Air Force and now he's in that junk professor. Has an NBA, an aviation, and then it goes on with the sentence that says, however, battle was sentenced 18 years in prison for pleading guilty after pleading guilty to. 98 00:14:13,877 --> 00:14:18,077 Direct authorship is the position that battle the professor is taking. 99 00:14:25,957 --> 00:14:28,897 And so that's what the case will probably be about, 100 00:14:33,051 --> 00:14:36,471 Even though he has himself tried a number of times to get it taken down, 101 00:14:44,304 --> 00:14:48,084 Doing its thing republishing. Hey, it's republishing it. 102 00:14:54,711 --> 00:14:55,971 Complain. Yeah, 103 00:15:00,283 --> 00:15:06,223 Causes of action but that happens when a non-lawyer represents themselves and what they're filing. 104 00:15:14,642 --> 00:15:23,462 George washington university is now collecting a whole database on the I cases so we can keep up with it this one is on there as well as another one, 105 00:15:24,256 --> 00:15:35,656 That was just recently filed in Georgia Walter's versus open AI. Right. Yeah. So George Walter is a radio host. I'm sorry, 106 00:15:36,950 --> 00:15:42,230 Radio host Mark Walter sued open AI alleging 107 00:15:42,495 --> 00:15:55,395 GBT posted false information for him. It was filed in state court and is being removed to the northern district of Georgia. So another one. With this defamation issue regarding content generated by AI. 108 00:15:56,816 --> 00:16:05,256 We're going at least we said it in December, January, whenever we said what's going to be the forecast for this year and AI has not, 109 00:16:06,045 --> 00:16:07,545 Disappointing. No it's not. 110 00:16:14,071 --> 00:16:16,451 Thing that the Georgia views 111 00:16:16,515 --> 00:16:17,775 George Washington is doing. 112 00:16:29,649 --> 00:16:35,889 Profoundly useful as we go forward in this arena. Hi, dude. Because if you probably notice that 113 00:16:36,265 --> 00:16:43,105 Many, many, many, many, many of the suits are actually coverment against the government for, 114 00:16:49,004 --> 00:17:03,104 Not been the focus of what you and I are talking about because we're looking at it from the intellectual properties side of things. So, I just didn't realize there were that many AI lawsuits pending out there on other topics. Yeah. 115 00:17:03,506 --> 00:17:04,046 Yeah. 116 00:17:04,046 --> 00:17:04,766 Hey. 117 00:17:19,395 --> 00:17:20,955 A health insurance company, 118 00:17:23,005 --> 00:17:26,605 No human ever reviewed the denials of sir of coverage for, 119 00:17:34,825 --> 00:17:40,225 Make a recent judgement about these things. So can't just be an algorithm or formula. Oh. So, 120 00:17:48,131 --> 00:17:49,571 Matrix kind of story line. 121 00:17:58,806 --> 00:18:00,406 Scanner slash, 122 00:18:07,395 --> 00:18:08,835 Metal detectors. Oh, 123 00:18:10,186 --> 00:18:24,046 So and I guess this is already technology that's been being used at a variety of sporting venues and there are some other high schools in our in the state that use it but I don't know how it works but it's scans them as they walk in and 124 00:18:24,365 --> 00:18:27,425 Trigger something if they think there's all interesting. 125 00:18:28,101 --> 00:18:35,481 But it's not strictly speaking in the middle detector. Interesting. It's not a medical detector. I I don't know how I don't know how it works as 126 00:18:35,807 --> 00:18:38,747 You know, preparing dinner and watching the news, that's what was 127 00:18:39,092 --> 00:18:42,932 Definitely sounds like the stuff of sci-fi movies. It does. 128 00:18:51,759 --> 00:18:53,379 Are there any being made? 129 00:18:58,033 --> 00:19:01,573 The writers guild strike which has been going on for a couple of months now. 130 00:19:09,871 --> 00:19:19,291 And we got a bunch of different topics and issues in the in the strike that what we'll do is we'll take the actors first and then we'll sort of compare contrast with what 131 00:19:19,450 --> 00:19:20,410 What the writers, 132 00:19:21,655 --> 00:19:35,455 Concerns and allegations are largely similar for the most part but obviously, you know, anytime you have a strike base pay is going to be a subject of the negotiations, actors, and the extras have noticed that their base pay hasn't been keeping pace withinflation, 133 00:19:37,481 --> 00:19:43,661 Salaries you know it's not really a salary job but they're noticing that hey they're it's getting harder to make a living, 134 00:19:46,447 --> 00:19:48,487 Gone up and our pay hasn't. 135 00:19:51,233 --> 00:19:58,313 The the contracts these days some some artists are saying are just worse terms than they were just of you know 136 00:19:58,564 --> 00:20:00,364 10 years ago or 20 years ago. 137 00:20:04,110 --> 00:20:09,510 Display a lot is that of self tape auditions you know this is something that was 138 00:20:09,754 --> 00:20:17,974 Happening a little bit when there was inconvenient for people to travel or whatever before the pandemic but during pandemic it became, 139 00:20:19,207 --> 00:20:31,087 A way of life fractures if you want to audition you weren't going to in be in a room with other people for lack of you know for concern of contagion and things and so they played ball with that but it meant that they were 140 00:20:31,054 --> 00:20:34,714 Paying for equipment and backdrops and you know what it's 141 00:20:34,709 --> 00:20:45,869 Cause this sort of a race to the top in terms of quality of the video it's not no longer you know just point yourself a camera yourself and and do it with the people of make a set and turn on lights and 142 00:20:46,096 --> 00:20:52,696 You know, get someone else to read the other part with them and things like that. All of things which historically, 143 00:20:53,970 --> 00:21:00,090 The producers and casting agents took care of you would show up read your do your part 144 00:21:00,050 --> 00:21:02,570 And you know, with a partner whoever they provided. 145 00:21:12,329 --> 00:21:21,989 It was okay. The actors were saying, we'll play ball. But now, you know, they didn't expect that to be permanent and so they're raising concerns and looking for, I don't know whether a little overcome. 146 00:21:23,159 --> 00:21:24,779 You know, compensation or, 147 00:21:26,931 --> 00:21:35,811 Probably just sort of a let's go back to the old casting in the room model which I think is more comfortable actors you know need that, 148 00:21:36,635 --> 00:21:38,975 Energy of the other people and that kind of thing. Right. 149 00:21:39,003 --> 00:21:43,683 So, I I'm just curious since my background is the music business in Europe, your background. 150 00:21:58,196 --> 00:22:00,356 Sing it raw with a guitar and, 151 00:22:01,202 --> 00:22:06,002 You know people are going to be able to hear how amazing that song is going to be but often. 152 00:22:14,976 --> 00:22:22,476 Yeah, I mean, look, that is always going to be, you know, time marches on and progress happens and technology gets easier and the playing field is never truly leveled. 153 00:22:24,005 --> 00:22:35,465 I I you know it's it's an app to comparison but I think that the actor is doing an audition which is you know a few minutes of of reading somebody else's script performing you know in hopes of getting the job, 154 00:22:37,076 --> 00:22:38,816 I guess the demos in hopes of getting a record deal. 155 00:22:42,073 --> 00:22:47,653 Hey if you're an artist or in hopes of getting the song placed with another artist so. 156 00:22:54,215 --> 00:22:58,395 Literally a headshot. No, yeah, you'd send a headshot and resume and they, 157 00:23:01,048 --> 00:23:08,468 And if they like your look they'd call you in and you would you would go into a room where they would provide someone to play the other, 158 00:23:11,285 --> 00:23:17,945 And you would acted out in front of the the casting director often the film director would be there and often they would be running your camera 159 00:23:18,199 --> 00:23:23,179 But the point being it's a camera in the back of the room on a tripod that they would have to refer to later, 160 00:23:28,650 --> 00:23:34,350 Didn't have to do any other, you know, production work. Nowadays, they're spending hundreds of dollars on, 161 00:23:36,482 --> 00:23:41,342 You know, lighting equipment and video equipment and who's got the better camera, 162 00:23:43,036 --> 00:23:43,876 Yes you're right. 163 00:23:51,354 --> 00:23:52,974 Nothing a demo they're making a, 164 00:23:59,924 --> 00:24:06,404 You know, dwindling residuals for streaming. Yeah. Another major issue and again, I thought, oh, welcome to the music business. 165 00:24:09,530 --> 00:24:14,930 Kimiko Glen posted a residual statement on TikTok representing she only received a 166 00:24:15,255 --> 00:24:29,895 Parents for her working oranges the new black and and obviously there's many many more who will posting those as well thanks just the money's not there well but it's also not just that the money's not there because I think the money actually 167 00:24:30,010 --> 00:24:30,790 Is there, 168 00:24:39,048 --> 00:24:41,988 Streaming video film folks are not 169 00:24:42,127 --> 00:24:47,467 Wanting to share the details about how many downloads or how many listens or reviews, 170 00:24:49,815 --> 00:24:50,775 And so, 171 00:24:57,350 --> 00:25:01,670 How do you calculate it and yeah I mean it's just it's not 172 00:25:01,664 --> 00:25:02,664 Transparent. 173 00:25:14,949 --> 00:25:16,929 Saying this is no longer on our service. 174 00:25:17,631 --> 00:25:21,631 But then I'm like they have the ability to do that. 175 00:25:25,851 --> 00:25:32,811 That that's exactly right. Now, again, once a little bit different because once it's been released, 176 00:25:34,825 --> 00:25:45,125 They just might stop in the good old days of pressing of the record. Yeah. General rating anything new or they could potentially take it off of a streaming service but the, 177 00:25:48,366 --> 00:25:50,466 Make money off of the streaming, 178 00:25:57,062 --> 00:26:04,262 Hey, I was sad to see that the pink ladies has been pulled because one of my professors from undergrad his daughter was 179 00:26:04,353 --> 00:26:09,873 Why is one of the peanuts? So, yeah, I don't know. That was made me sad to see that that's one of the, 180 00:26:13,968 --> 00:26:27,948 That different from the historical traditional television business where a show would get cancelled and if it hadn't had enough episodes to find its self and syndication because they were just wasn't a business justification for continuing to, you know, to run the show. 181 00:26:28,426 --> 00:26:29,326 It was gone, 182 00:26:29,857 --> 00:26:32,077 And I don't see it as that different. 183 00:26:39,624 --> 00:26:43,464 That's the prerogative of the content owner to stop, 184 00:26:47,610 --> 00:26:54,090 Thing that we're hearing a lot about has to do with AI and and the AMPTP that's the producers, 185 00:26:56,643 --> 00:27:00,343 Supposedly put forward a proposal that would allow, 186 00:27:01,806 --> 00:27:07,446 Or a basically allow any producer to have it in their contracts that they were entitled to scam, 187 00:27:09,611 --> 00:27:17,891 The likeness is of the person and in fact they put in this proposal that extras could enter into an agreement to scan themselves for the studio then would own, 188 00:27:23,556 --> 00:27:29,856 And then that character or that actors performance becomes the training for an AI and, 189 00:27:30,505 --> 00:27:32,305 And then that actor never works again. 190 00:27:38,022 --> 00:27:41,862 And no residuals on that because it's a new performance. Yeah. 191 00:27:48,771 --> 00:27:58,191 But it is a big concern and and you know if you don't have bargaining power in a negotiation and the studio says we're going to scan you when we own that scan we can do anything we want with it, 192 00:27:58,853 --> 00:27:59,573 Then, 193 00:28:00,303 --> 00:28:05,343 You know, how much are you going to turn down the job? You know, those that's the question. So, 194 00:28:09,458 --> 00:28:10,538 Let's say, 195 00:28:15,151 --> 00:28:17,651 Producers want freedom to do anything, 196 00:28:24,453 --> 00:28:31,533 The studio executives who are making public statements that are a little bit of the moral internet let the meat cake kind of tone, 197 00:28:37,059 --> 00:28:39,039 They're unrealistic they don't have a clear 198 00:28:39,166 --> 00:28:48,946 Picture of what's going on. Meanwhile, some of these executives are making terms or hundreds of millions of dollars in salary per year and the actor who's, you know, looking at a $400 check for a day. 199 00:28:53,299 --> 00:28:54,739 Tom Death so, 200 00:29:07,046 --> 00:29:08,006 Persona. 201 00:29:14,800 --> 00:29:36,400 Music. 202 00:29:37,373 --> 00:29:38,373 So 203 00:29:39,598 --> 00:29:42,238 If that is permanent, sure sounds like Johnny to me. 204 00:29:54,523 --> 00:29:55,903 If you are, 205 00:29:56,639 --> 00:30:00,659 The person being duplicated without your consent, 206 00:30:06,866 --> 00:30:08,246 Strong concern, don't you think? 207 00:30:16,345 --> 00:30:23,485 Recording one is the name image and likeness rights of Johnny cash and it should extend postimously that, 208 00:30:28,921 --> 00:30:33,061 How do I know that isn't Johnny cash? Yeah, well. 209 00:30:34,045 --> 00:30:41,345 I don't I don't know that in addition to the other issues related to his the sound recording copyright, 210 00:30:41,876 --> 00:30:48,116 That's being used. Yeah. I I miss it. I don't know. Maybe all of this permission was secured. 211 00:30:48,726 --> 00:30:56,886 Oh I'm just unaware of it. Yeah. Well no I think in in the instance of the recording you just heard which was made as a you know sort of, 212 00:30:57,341 --> 00:31:02,501 Testament to what can be done. Apparently, the the creator of this is creating a lot of these sort of parody. 213 00:31:14,428 --> 00:31:24,088 Good old fair use, you know, look at what's possible. Right now, that that's the criticism, the commentary, I guess. So, it's definitely a mashup, definitely transformation, 214 00:31:28,183 --> 00:31:32,923 And maybe it is maybe there's going to argument that Johnny quote Johnny Cash singing, 215 00:31:40,480 --> 00:31:44,620 That that is a comment on life. Yeah. The commentary. On the original. 216 00:31:44,990 --> 00:31:45,530 Wow. 217 00:31:57,692 --> 00:32:00,752 Industry as all, you know, the or the nature of, 218 00:32:07,055 --> 00:32:13,955 Creative arguments could be made but I think that's a really timely example and especially with the Barbie movie out right now. 219 00:32:16,129 --> 00:32:24,229 Been sucked in. I'm going. But what was this? James Royal Jones signed an agreement that Disney can replicate his Dorothy or 220 00:32:24,654 --> 00:32:26,394 Voice. Well, yeah. 221 00:32:32,423 --> 00:32:34,403 Famous voices I think it was that really, 222 00:32:37,798 --> 00:32:48,358 I'll record a demo of you know whatever syllables you need me to say and then you'll have a librarian be able to use it I think his instance was only specific to that character for, 223 00:32:51,607 --> 00:32:52,387 Cartoons. 224 00:33:03,553 --> 00:33:09,073 Well, I was always a different actor in the suit. They would be able to recreate his voice for the purposes of, 225 00:33:12,880 --> 00:33:17,260 Yeah, there was deaging of Harrison Ford for the latest Indiana Jones movie, 226 00:33:18,449 --> 00:33:20,489 You know DH Leah, 227 00:33:29,966 --> 00:33:33,086 The character alive long enough to finish this movie or, 228 00:33:35,052 --> 00:33:37,872 The D aging to make it his you know, 229 00:33:42,191 --> 00:33:45,491 When those images or that voice of. 230 00:33:55,811 --> 00:33:56,651 In this arena, 231 00:34:06,947 --> 00:34:12,287 Either one time or residuals or maybe forward and that's the difference. 232 00:34:15,706 --> 00:34:21,586 Right? Yeah. Versus just to this general. Hey, we can do what we want to for a one time fee. Yeah. 233 00:34:26,428 --> 00:34:33,088 Upfront pay is always been you know I was a concern but they also have concerns about the dwindling residuals for streaming, 234 00:34:36,330 --> 00:34:42,030 You know, pieces of net profit or other about box office based calculations in many instances, 235 00:34:44,541 --> 00:34:54,201 In streaming those things don't exist in the reporting isn't there so they want greater transparency on how many times a stream is watched and those kinds of things, 236 00:35:00,169 --> 00:35:04,009 Initially when it came in it was AA concession, 237 00:35:05,300 --> 00:35:10,160 Again you know they they could've gotten more just held out for much more upfront pay and 238 00:35:10,341 --> 00:35:17,841 And said, okay, go ahead and do your thing. So, you know, it's green to accept residuals in the first place. Became AA thing. 239 00:35:23,888 --> 00:35:29,448 Invisible if it even exists at all in in the streaming world so that's a concern, 240 00:35:33,891 --> 00:35:37,491 Where you know AI is becoming pretty good at writing, 241 00:35:40,346 --> 00:35:42,626 Capturing a voice of a particular. 242 00:35:52,058 --> 00:35:54,038 Credits to the writers will be, 243 00:35:54,686 --> 00:35:56,846 What did dissipated a bit? 244 00:36:04,688 --> 00:36:11,408 The WGA wants to make sure there's enough people in the room, enough union worker, worker, enough jobs being provided, 245 00:36:15,463 --> 00:36:24,403 Yeah, it's it's it's I think this is going to be a long one. We I think I said that one. They writers one out. It's going to be a long one. It's going to be a lot. The parties are far apart. 246 00:36:25,042 --> 00:36:33,442 Obviously on foreign productions if they're not part of the WGA those international actors and workers can still keep working, 247 00:36:36,619 --> 00:36:41,479 For for us as consumers we probably notice that 248 00:36:41,453 --> 00:36:43,913 There's not been any promotion. 249 00:36:55,253 --> 00:36:56,873 There are films on 250 00:36:57,297 --> 00:37:04,737 Programming which is crazy that up in Heimer and Barbie you know it was the biggest box office weekend ever is that, 251 00:37:06,920 --> 00:37:07,580 That's right. 252 00:37:18,281 --> 00:37:27,761 Producers that sort of said, well, wait a minute, this strike is against these companies, the the bees producing companies, the truly independent companies shouldn't be prevented from using, 253 00:37:30,975 --> 00:37:39,255 The union members services so the the he was the actors guilt this sag after it made the deal to allow I think it was about 30, 254 00:37:41,723 --> 00:37:43,403 Independent productions to proceed, 255 00:37:47,860 --> 00:37:50,740 It's not that's not really applicable to the WGA. So. 256 00:38:01,078 --> 00:38:08,938 Well, interestingly, I heard yesterday that the several of the sort of all-star jeopardy players that were scheduled to appear for a new, 257 00:38:10,576 --> 00:38:14,776 You know, championship tournament kind of a thing on Jeopardy. They have, 258 00:38:19,938 --> 00:38:24,198 While the writers strike is ongoing because even though it's an unscripted show, 259 00:38:28,562 --> 00:38:31,622 Guild member writers so that they don't want to change 260 00:38:31,695 --> 00:38:42,075 Interesting. Yeah. So, lot of solidarity out there. You know, I think we're we're in an era where there's a lot of labor unrest, another arenas too, but here in the entertainment industry, this is, 261 00:38:43,128 --> 00:38:45,288 This is what we're looking at. So, yeah. 262 00:38:52,805 --> 00:39:06,425 The ninth circuit is now affirmed the dismissal of a class action lawsuit against Instagram for allegedly allowing third parties to embed Instagram images on their own websites often times in the form of like a search result. So, 263 00:39:07,488 --> 00:39:19,308 The night circuit took a look at this case and said that it was in fact bound by the perfect 10 ruling from a while back that established what's known as the server test under the server test the, 264 00:39:20,891 --> 00:39:27,231 Instructions showing requiring the browser to show an image that's hosted somewhere else in this case on Instagram. 265 00:39:34,513 --> 00:39:44,473 No direct infringement there can be no liability by Instagram for the secondary infringement and so at least in the ninth circuit the server test has been now applied to, 266 00:39:54,813 --> 00:39:57,633 While I was unable to find the other case I was 267 00:39:57,702 --> 00:39:59,202 Searching frantically for. 268 00:40:10,369 --> 00:40:16,249 A circuit split regarding. Wasn't I think? Yeah, I think there was a second circuit case, 269 00:40:20,331 --> 00:40:24,891 The same or very similar issue of embedding Instagram and I don't remember how it went, 270 00:40:26,384 --> 00:40:35,324 Yeah what will have to kind of take a look at that because I think we have some maybe they're not at the circuit level maybe they're just district court. Yeah. That. 271 00:40:35,575 --> 00:40:39,655 Made a different had a different holding so it might. Well, we'll see. See? Yeah. 272 00:40:43,209 --> 00:40:49,269 I appreciate that Rick Allen has been keeping both of us I think updated yeah what's happening in North Carolina 273 00:40:49,637 --> 00:40:56,777 Rick Allen is of course the the the named party in Allen versus Cooper the lawsuit against the state of, 274 00:40:58,062 --> 00:40:59,922 I want to make sure I get it right. It's North Carolina. 275 00:41:04,247 --> 00:41:15,167 That got all that footage of black beards flagship the Queen Anne's revenge and you may remember that he sued the state of North Carolina for infringing his copyrights in those, 276 00:41:15,707 --> 00:41:17,447 In those films, 277 00:41:21,676 --> 00:41:27,736 Passed a law saying it's called Blackbird's Law. And basically saying that hey if it if it 278 00:41:28,103 --> 00:41:30,983 Exists on our territory on our coast. 279 00:41:37,448 --> 00:41:45,788 That lawsuit went up to the Supreme Court and on the it was it was deemed that it was what preempted by this but no not preempted that the state law, 280 00:41:46,558 --> 00:41:55,918 That was set up was carved out appropriately, right? Right, that's sovereign immunity applied. North Carolina was was sovereign and too bad so sad. They 281 00:41:56,180 --> 00:41:59,400 You can quote infringe your copyright all day long so, 282 00:42:05,859 --> 00:42:09,039 Rick has been keeping us informed with press releases and things, 283 00:42:15,904 --> 00:42:20,384 And targets and harms an individual without any due process at all and since, 284 00:42:27,563 --> 00:42:39,443 The governor of Edwell, the legislature in the governor have now repealed blackbird, blackbeard's law. So, that was unanimous legislative act and big victory frown and not a list but there are still, 285 00:42:40,022 --> 00:42:41,102 Stuff going on. 286 00:42:49,664 --> 00:42:59,744 Has caused basically. So, he says there's a double standard Allen and Nautilus' lawsuit continues to fight against that basically North Carolina are used that the state, 287 00:43:07,884 --> 00:43:13,524 That it was an a prohibited taking of his property so that's still going on we're going to hold him accountable, 288 00:43:15,716 --> 00:43:24,476 Right and that North Carolina could sue a party for infringing the copyright owned by the state of North Carolina but yet it did not allow, 289 00:43:25,124 --> 00:43:25,844 For, 290 00:43:26,942 --> 00:43:32,942 Individual entity or whoever to bring a suit against the state of North Carolina. So, big double standard, yeah. 291 00:43:35,665 --> 00:43:44,605 Cuz it's the same thing a government entity can sue if they there are certain times in which a governmental team may own a copyright. 292 00:43:46,009 --> 00:43:46,549 Yeah. 293 00:43:54,624 --> 00:44:01,704 Then the government quote took it so then the government can because they weren't the original author and then sue for infringement, 294 00:44:03,266 --> 00:44:04,166 Crazy. 295 00:44:16,860 --> 00:44:21,420 Basically became, you know, tell me their notes. Hey, we're going to use it. What can you do? We're sabbling immunity. 296 00:44:25,070 --> 00:44:29,030 On copyrights that the state does own yes they have the right to sue so that's sort of the 297 00:44:29,445 --> 00:44:31,725 We're double standard but anyway that's right. 298 00:44:39,158 --> 00:44:46,958 Government government can own a copyright on it. Although we've seen some rolling back of that as well with what was that the state of Georgia and that, 299 00:44:49,763 --> 00:44:50,483 The reporting of, 300 00:44:59,099 --> 00:45:01,739 Yeah. Where are they? The court said I know. 301 00:45:10,243 --> 00:45:12,103 Concerning to see the light items into this. 302 00:45:23,279 --> 00:45:23,999 Well, 303 00:45:27,528 --> 00:45:28,428 Sure. 304 00:45:36,085 --> 00:45:38,585 Dissolved as a man for a while haven't they but, 305 00:45:48,935 --> 00:45:50,735 Created the illustration of. 306 00:46:03,627 --> 00:46:04,647 Nirvana LLC. 307 00:46:05,211 --> 00:46:14,871 That handles the licensing and sale of nirvana merchandise on and live nation merchandise also she's sued when she discovered that, 308 00:46:15,510 --> 00:46:19,950 They were selling t-shirts, hoodies, key fobs, and mugs with that image, 309 00:46:20,956 --> 00:46:26,656 I heard her father, grandfather, grandfather's image, a copyright. So, 310 00:46:27,420 --> 00:46:34,740 The defendants came in to court and this was in Central District of California. She filed her suit. The defense said, hey, 311 00:46:35,513 --> 00:46:40,133 This is not the right place. This case belongs in the UK. It's forum non-convenience, 312 00:46:45,811 --> 00:46:48,031 Suggest that she doesn't have 313 00:46:48,215 --> 00:46:57,155 And enforceable US copyright interest she doesn't alleged in any way how US cop parallel would protect the illustration as a foreign work, 314 00:47:02,033 --> 00:47:08,993 When the illustration was first published in 1949 remember the US didn't join the burn convention until late 80s 315 00:47:09,280 --> 00:47:10,720 1989. Yeah. 316 00:47:19,579 --> 00:47:21,499 Us Law doesn't apply. 317 00:47:22,432 --> 00:47:27,172 And she doesn't have valid claims here. So, it really belongs in the UK. 318 00:47:32,227 --> 00:47:44,947 That the principal issue is the validity of her US copyright interest and that's why the UK doesn't really have jurisdiction over the case. Circuit Court said, well, that's not really that important but we're really looking at is is this the right forum, 319 00:47:45,541 --> 00:47:47,401 And you know, looks at the 320 00:47:47,486 --> 00:48:01,166 The historical test, the adequacy of the alternative form forum, and whether there's, you know, the difference given to the plaintiffs chosen forum and the third factor of the balance of private and public interests and they said, yeah. 321 00:48:02,312 --> 00:48:13,952 The defendant is a manable to process in England and they offer a valid satisfactory remedy and in fact the defendants in in their motion papers actually conceded that they would accept, 322 00:48:17,310 --> 00:48:18,030 And. 323 00:48:26,717 --> 00:48:31,317 And I think part of it is also she's going to have to prove, 324 00:48:35,332 --> 00:48:42,752 I eight it would be interesting to hear from if we have anybody who is involved in this that can talk 325 00:48:42,922 --> 00:48:52,222 About it. You know, why the decision was made to sue in California versus the UK? I realized the defendants 326 00:48:52,554 --> 00:48:53,094 Hey. 327 00:48:59,611 --> 00:49:02,411 Contacts to to meet that requirement, 328 00:49:03,510 --> 00:49:13,050 Also if they tour and sell merchandise in in the UK which they must because everybody agreed that that was an acceptable forum. Yeah. You know, why did 329 00:49:13,124 --> 00:49:15,164 Did they think it was 330 00:49:15,186 --> 00:49:23,766 More beneficial to see when the US versus suing in the UK. Wow. Well, that's interesting. I mean, you know, my first thought were a litigator would be, 331 00:49:24,944 --> 00:49:26,624 Hey well first off my first question is 332 00:49:26,808 --> 00:49:34,968 Is this an American lawyer that she that started this thing or did she have her UK council involved in you know and and maybe they made a 333 00:49:34,928 --> 00:49:41,948 Conclusion that it was better to zoo in the US but more often I would think that if you just look and say okay where is Nirvana LLC located, 334 00:49:42,859 --> 00:49:46,159 It's a it's California LLC so so I'm in California, 335 00:49:49,296 --> 00:49:57,816 You know that seems to be there's obviously is what a water our keywords there's nexus there's a contacts there's all of that and if it's an L, 336 00:50:00,953 --> 00:50:04,493 Okay we probably should sue them in federal court in California. 337 00:50:08,326 --> 00:50:14,386 To say hey you you're in my don't come to my home the territory to sue me sue me in your home. 338 00:50:23,090 --> 00:50:25,850 Yeah either she doesn't own it or or the rights don't 339 00:50:26,250 --> 00:50:34,350 Yeah, who knows? Yeah. And and what I, you know, I don't know enough about the UK copyright law to know did it have a requirement? 340 00:50:36,161 --> 00:50:39,761 Okay, we didn't, we, the US, and join the Burn Convention until, 341 00:50:40,410 --> 00:50:44,550 89. I don't remember when the burn convention went into a fact. 342 00:50:54,265 --> 00:51:01,525 So, if yeah, we don't know when the UK joined. Yeah. They burn convention existed. You know, so some of the things that, 343 00:51:02,259 --> 00:51:08,379 Are real issues in the US for older works may not have been. I don't know. We'll see, we'll see where they get. 344 00:51:08,318 --> 00:51:10,898 Where they go with that and on that note I was, 345 00:51:18,796 --> 00:51:20,956 That was a copyright case 346 00:51:21,082 --> 00:51:21,802 In 347 00:51:35,773 --> 00:51:36,773 Country, 348 00:51:38,196 --> 00:51:49,116 And they kept was it the license or the licency and who could bring the case in California folks I can't remember if any of our past contributors can remember what that case is, 349 00:51:50,340 --> 00:51:51,420 Somebody let me know, 350 00:51:55,299 --> 00:52:03,919 Did not resonate. It may not apply. Entertainment law update is brought to you by the sharpest legal mines in entertainment folks but this is an exception. 351 00:52:06,130 --> 00:52:08,470 How many episodes we talked about that case, 352 00:52:18,958 --> 00:52:20,758 The dispute has closed. 353 00:52:22,226 --> 00:52:24,206 The the fat lady has sung. 354 00:52:42,364 --> 00:52:49,384 So the the defendant in the case Mason Rothschild now has to send the court's order to the holders of all the NFTs, 355 00:52:55,228 --> 00:52:56,008 And, 356 00:53:05,356 --> 00:53:06,916 Closed and here we are. 357 00:53:14,907 --> 00:53:20,607 Yeah, they're not allowed to sell the bag. The NFT. So, there's no existing market for these, 358 00:53:25,395 --> 00:53:32,835 Yeah I I think that'll be the next one. And and on a topic that just keeps giving back to us. Love it. After year. 359 00:53:33,146 --> 00:53:39,446 It used to just be every 4 years now since the political cycle freaking never ends. 360 00:53:44,741 --> 00:53:50,861 The I'm assuming we're meeting DeSantis as in the governor. Florida Governor Presidential Canada on DeSantis. 361 00:53:51,376 --> 00:53:54,316 Kicks off, copyright infringement in his campaign. 362 00:54:06,301 --> 00:54:10,981 I can't even think of all of the ones we've talked about. But anyway, it's a new group of, 363 00:54:11,595 --> 00:54:13,995 Potential defendants. Yeah, well, Ben, 364 00:54:16,906 --> 00:54:19,786 Planet in this situation. In this case. 365 00:54:29,644 --> 00:54:33,064 And the others involved in the show are Sue are going after President 366 00:54:33,443 --> 00:54:38,843 Presidential candidate Rhonda Sanders for his use of footage from Peaky Blinders in a, 367 00:54:39,691 --> 00:54:47,611 A campaign ad that was sort of an anti LGBTQ message. They add uses scenes and images of murderous characters. 368 00:54:48,675 --> 00:54:49,875 Portrait sort of heroically. 369 00:54:50,961 --> 00:55:03,381 Brad Pitt from Troy Christian Baile American Psychos Jillian Murphy Murphy from Peaky Blinders and then it flashes to images of DeSantis with headlines of his radical anti LGBT plus legislation so, 370 00:55:05,365 --> 00:55:07,225 Making him out to be some kind of a, 371 00:55:14,935 --> 00:55:26,935 On behalf of the partners of PG Blinders Stephen Knights Lee Murphy Karen Mandabock Productions Tiger Aspect Productions and Banje Wrights we confirm the footage of Tommy Shelby's character used within the video postway, 372 00:55:27,636 --> 00:55:30,916 Campaign was obtained without permission or official license. 373 00:55:31,400 --> 00:55:40,460 And we do not support or endorse the narrative of the video's narrative and strongly disapprove of the use of the content in this matter. So, wagging their finger, I guess you could say. 374 00:55:42,391 --> 00:55:43,351 The triple. 375 00:55:54,940 --> 00:55:59,800 Hey, to be a copyright infringement lawsuit. And the defense is going to be fair use. 376 00:56:00,198 --> 00:56:06,138 And we've seen a number of these that you know it could go either way while we, 377 00:56:06,608 --> 00:56:12,248 You know, representing content creators think this should never be a fair use. I haven't seen this ad. Yeah. 378 00:56:13,602 --> 00:56:17,442 There's always that risk. I mean, we had the case. We talked about 379 00:56:17,716 --> 00:56:20,836 During one political cycle where it was the, 380 00:56:26,908 --> 00:56:34,408 As anti-gay marriage. Right. And I think that one landed as a fair use because it was a commentary. Yeah. So, 381 00:56:36,801 --> 00:56:49,881 And then the 2020 election cycle Eddie Grant did win against Trump for an unauthorized use of 40 seconds from the song Electric Ave so it has gone both ways but, 382 00:56:51,508 --> 00:56:55,588 Yeah, in the political sphere, that fair used thing seems like a pretty strong defense. 383 00:57:01,648 --> 00:57:04,468 The analysis of transformative shifts a little bit 384 00:57:04,843 --> 00:57:11,143 Oh, hadn't thought about that. Maybe, well, so that'll be interesting if any of these go forward. 385 00:57:16,096 --> 00:57:18,436 Let's see what happens and then vote, 386 00:57:22,082 --> 00:57:29,042 That's being incorporated often times we have this issue come up with with like you said with the Eddie Grant with the music, 387 00:57:29,491 --> 00:57:38,731 You know, music that's being played live at a campaign rally as long as the venue or the campaign has the appropriate public performance license. 388 00:57:39,403 --> 00:57:47,803 They can play what they want to be no and again we we've heard over the years it doesn't mean that the artist don't step up and say, 389 00:57:48,602 --> 00:57:57,762 We we don't support this candidate. They can and they will but there's not a whole lot they can do if the license is in place. Yeah, I mean until the, 390 00:57:58,515 --> 00:58:03,195 Some of the footage with the sound or whatever shows up in an ad or something like that on other media. 391 00:58:04,465 --> 00:58:09,385 Yeah, the the life, the live aspect of it is covered by those performing rights organization, licensed. That's right. 392 00:58:11,433 --> 00:58:25,653 Discussed on a separate topic I texted or emailed about in the last few weeks the fact that the master recording is used doesn't matter because in the US there's no permission needed for non digital, 393 00:58:26,944 --> 00:58:29,164 Public performance of a master, 394 00:58:31,418 --> 00:58:32,018 So 395 00:58:37,773 --> 00:58:39,873 Everywhere but New Jersey it's Taco Tuesday. 396 00:58:51,466 --> 00:58:54,646 Taco Tuesday LeBron James kept telling us 397 00:58:54,986 --> 00:59:02,366 Everybody should be able to have taco bell and taco Tuesday and and nail the fight is over. It is is taco Tuesday free. 398 00:59:07,892 --> 00:59:08,252 For his 399 00:59:08,660 --> 00:59:20,600 The title he gave this story in our rundown is the long national nightmare is over. Taco Tuesday is free to use. And that's almost true. So what's happened is that you know taco johns, the small restaurant, 400 00:59:21,362 --> 00:59:26,042 I think in Iowa that had registered and owned the trademark for taco Tuesday, 401 00:59:27,310 --> 00:59:37,750 Has caved in basically. They've decided in probably discretion being better part of Valor. Not to defend their the claim from Taco Bell. 402 00:59:38,332 --> 00:59:46,492 They had of course, as you said, launch that campaign with LeBron James and and trying to freed the phrase Taco Bell for everybody to use. 403 00:59:52,240 --> 00:59:54,400 Not to fender us it so hope and I think you're, 404 00:59:55,471 --> 00:59:58,691 You know the case been dismissed against them or or is in the process. 405 01:00:04,852 --> 01:00:11,452 Of the phrase taco Tuesday was not the only one that was also a bar called Gregory's in New Jersey 406 01:00:11,892 --> 01:00:18,252 That had registered the trademark as well and the two the two trademark registrants had agreed to coexist, 407 01:00:20,589 --> 01:00:29,469 So Gregory's is also named in the lawsuit. By Taco Bell and they have filed their answer and so at least for now, the lawsuit goes on, 408 01:00:30,176 --> 01:00:33,656 Yeah and and also to say it doesn't mean that 409 01:00:34,092 --> 01:00:43,332 Taco Tuesday is there's a free Ferrari no matter what product or service you're offering there are some valid existing registrations at the USPTO, 410 01:00:43,931 --> 01:00:54,071 For taco Tuesday for things not related to restaurant services or food services then they were also the people who were just misinformed over the last few months. Mm hmm. 411 01:00:54,302 --> 01:01:00,122 Who decided they'd follow variation on taco Tuesday and now they've just wasted their money. So, 412 01:01:02,827 --> 01:01:08,707 Filing taco Tuesday night or something like that to help you get a registration it's not. 413 01:01:12,252 --> 01:01:21,252 Well, I don't know. Do we have a TTA bee? We do not have a TTAB. Take a trademark troll on a pills board rulings saying, 414 01:01:22,110 --> 01:01:26,490 Taco Tuesday is generic correct because we just have a settlement. Right. 415 01:01:27,097 --> 01:01:33,817 So, you know, I guess all beds are off at the trademark office. So, well, if Gregory's continues the fight, 416 01:01:41,870 --> 01:01:43,190 Right yes, 417 01:01:45,021 --> 01:01:45,681 Of course. 418 01:01:53,179 --> 01:02:00,599 Alright. Well, I agreed and and Taco Tuesdays are a thing in my house. We always try to have at least Mexican food. 419 01:02:01,099 --> 01:02:03,439 Flavors on our Tuesday night. So, 420 01:02:07,338 --> 01:02:09,318 Are you in Texas let's text, 421 01:02:12,307 --> 01:02:13,207 Every. 422 01:02:21,417 --> 01:02:25,737 The fancy dancy California food that I have another name I call it, 423 01:02:31,580 --> 01:02:34,340 Come to Texas. Let's have some text message. 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Com Email address G Firemark@Firemark. Com pretty easy to find me, 440 01:05:16,529 --> 01:05:24,509 Give us a shout out and let's also shout out our crack team of volunteer contributors mentioned them earlier John Janiceek is our managing editor 441 01:05:24,793 --> 01:05:34,633 Charles Thorn Mark Lindaman Malharosa Alexis Allen and Violet John all helped out with this episode and we are grateful to them for their help 442 01:05:35,029 --> 01:05:37,249 And if you are interested in joining us on our team, 443 01:05:38,315 --> 01:05:46,415 Use that email address, entertainment law update@Gmail. Com to send us your resume and quick note, and we'd be happy to chat with you and see if it's a good fit. 444 01:05:47,137 --> 01:05:49,657 With that I will push this button. 445 01:05:50,480 --> 01:06:19,882 Music.